It was good enough for Jane Austen, Lord Byron and Lewis Carroll after all. Dr. Johnson said: 'He has good a good estate' does not always mean that he has acquired, but barely that he possesses it. i.e. I could go on ad infinitum, but I must go. "I have" would be used primarily in the instance where you have had something for quite sometime. I don't speak a particular Scottish dialect, nor with a Scottish accent, but I have used all those words and expressions on occasion. Presumably by "interchanged" you simply meant misspelled. - "Mrs Thatcher got her degree in chemistry in 1947. Jim: "I’m mainly suggesting the words are interchanged so often (by those that don’t seem to know the definitions) that their distinction is lost.". 43 votes The fact is that it *is* normal English, and how else can we judge what is acceptable English other than by looking at how good writers use English? I imagine that this was the origin of many irregular forms. Until then, how you stretch "got" to mean present tense possession is beyond me. They mean completely different things separately. is ok, but not "I have eaten breakfast at 9AM." My background is philosophy of language and symbolic logic, which is focused on uncovering the statements behind sentences, rather than being obsessed with the rules for creating sentences themselves. (notice either way,it is past tense) If you know of a legitimate reference that goes further, let me know. It's simply an idiomatic version of 'I have' which can only be used in the present; for other times we need to use 'have'. So perhaps not a FULL STOP, but more of a ellipse?   Permalink The two common synonyms are must and need.   Permalink "And please don’t use the excuse that it’s normal communication, with that reasoning 'they’re' and 'there' will soon be synonymous. (idiomatic, chiefly UK) To have, own or possess. I might just add that the usage of the present perfect to talk about actions happening in the present is not solely and English issue. Take spelling for example: British and Americans may differ, but in each we all follow our own system. We use have (got) here to refer to both verbs: I’ve got a terrible pain in my back. There is no standard "American" English anymore than there is a standard "British" English. Both Oxford and Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionaries list 'have got' under 'have', not 'get'.   Report Abuse. I've gotten the book -- present perfect meaning I've already obtained it). But at least he's got the weekend free". The same with Portuguese. "I've got five on it" Meaning I got five dollars on it. This would also apply to your 'so aren't you' - that's not a judgement - simply that the phrase is non-standard, or at least it is in BrE. I think is owing to "I'v got" and "I got" are so near in sound and often, in context, mean the same thing. And with your example of "I got paid yesterday", you are into a different use of "got" altogether, as a sort of less formal passive. And that's why we teach these constructions to foreign learners (together with their limits): so that they will sound more natural and speak good idiomatic English. And do I trust books written by people who have made a long study of language more than a few theories made up on the hoof on this forum to explain an idiomatic use that doesn't need any explaining? Jim (above) says: In case I’m wrong I took your advice and looked up “have got”. 2. And nor would I ever use an argument such as 'it's people like you who ...'. As others have said, it's more comfortable and rhythmic to use in everyday conversations. And the same with "He's got a Masters in Finance, a great job and a big house in the country" and "He has a Masters in Finance" etc. The 'I've got' construction is nothing to do with present perfect, of 'get' or anything else - so the 'j'ái' thing is neither here nor there. I'm not quite sure why it is that foreign learners get the hang of "have got" quite early on, but some native speakers don't seem to be able to get their heads around it at all (I also teach English) . It helps that "gotten" is still brooked in the US. Lead singer Bert McCracken wrote this about his dog that got hit by a car during the making of In Love And Death. Haha.There is the past-present tense difference, but it's really just where you're from, they can and usually do mean the same thing. English And I've got to do something right now to get the result or nothing matters. I've just noticed (or even observed that) it's -11 C outside! The word "got" has a bad rep. The same would be true of its use in the second or third person. (I've) got to run. It's complicated tu use HAVE GOT and I don´t know why British grammar tries to make our lives difficult. My list was of Scottish words used in Standard Scottish English, not dialect. From on high you say "get a grip," but that suggests that language is somehow not open to friendly discussion about it's inconsistencies. @WWYou make a telling point about phrases from local dialect.There is a phrase commonly used in south west and central Scotland which I am sure would be very confusing to anyone from outside that area.To those unfamiliar with it, the phrase "a roll on bacon" would certainly be confusing and would probably conjure up a somewhat strange image.But the locals know exactly what is meant.The phrase itself probably came about as a corruption of "a roll and bacon". I have been (eg somewhere for a length of time) = I am.   Report Abuse. Oh, but I do. But without the use of "just" or other words to reinforce that we mean "get", we would normally simply take it to mean possession, as in "I've got a cold". Contractions are used for expedience, so go for the most efficient form that doesn't confuse. It's an extra word that conveys no additional meaning. @Jackbox - my 'full stop' was meant to be an ironic reply to @Jim's 'period'. It should not. is not "ungrammatical" nor is it any less clear than "Have you done your homework?   Report Abuse. "I have a car" is present tense"I got a car" is a past tense sentence (and you may no longer have that car)have (present tense) and got (past tense) do not belong next to each otherperiod, 63 votes "I ate breakfast at 9AM" has no implications for the present - it is simply a record of when things happened. 5 years ago.   Report Abuse. I use it daily as do most of my native AmE speaking friends. The only difference is that the "got" versions are more informal. @Hairy Scot "he once got arrested" "he was once arrested". milamber, I appreciate and applaud your credentials; however in my 29 years in my own profession one thing I’ve learned is that it’s hard to find someone who knows everything about their profession. Now I understand why my friend in college told me that I spoke like a Brit without the accent.   Report Abuse. Thank you all! It's a matter of horses for courses. Use which ever form you like in everyday, informal conversation. - EFL/TESL teacher with 20 years experience in 7 countries -, 15 votes Jim, of course "have" and "got" belong next to each other. 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